DrupalCon Seattle: Lullabot Sessions on Thursday, April 11th

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Matt Kleve:

For April 4th, it's the Lullabot podcast!

Matt Kleve:

Hey everybody it's the Lullabot podcast episode 234!

Matt Kleve:

How fun is that?

Matt Kleve:

I'm Matt Kleve, the senior developer of Lullabot, with always the cohost of the show, Senior Front End Dev; Mike Herchel.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Mike.

Mike Herchel:

Hey, how are you doing?

Matt Kleve:

Pretty great. I'm getting excited because we're getting closer and closer to DrupalCon, Seattle.

Mike Herchel:

I'm very excited about this.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Will you be there?

Mike Herchel:

Yes,

Mike Herchel:

Yes we are.

Matt Kleve:

As a company, Lullabot will be there. We'll have a booth, we'll have a party.

Matt Kleve:

We'll hear more about that later.

Matt Kleve:

But we'll also have a lot of our smart people teaching DrupalCon attendees the things they know.

Mike Herchel:

We have so many smart people that we actually had to split these smart people into two separate episodes-

Matt Kleve:

So, yes

Matt Kleve:

This is a totally different episode that might sound similar to the last one.

Matt Kleve:

We're talking about Thursday DrupalCon, the second day of traditional sessions of DrupalCon and the first Lullabot that we are going to be talking, teaching what they know.

Matt Kleve:

All about Drupal and related stuff at DrupalCon.

Mike Herchel:

Absolutely

Matt Kleve:

So who do we have.

Mike Herchel:

First we have Helena McCabe from Orlando Florida.

Mike Herchel:

Welcome Helena.

Mike Herchel:

What are you talking about?

Helena McCabe:

Accessibility with Carie Fisher.

Matt Kleve:

Hey,

Matt Kleve:

One of the Accessorbot.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah.

Helena McCabe:

Yes

Matt Kleve:

Well, accessibility.

Matt Kleve:

That's always good, to hear, hear Helena talk about that.

Matt Kleve:

Also, with us today we have three folks who will be talking together.

Matt Kleve:

We have Karen Stevenson from Orville Illinois, Lullabot's CTO.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Karen.

Karen Stevenson:

Hey there.

Matt Kleve:

Karen will be along-side Wes Ravalcaba, a Senior Front End Dev.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Wes.

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Hello.

Matt Kleve:

And also Putra Bonaccors, Senior Front End Dev.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Putra

Putra Bonaccors:

Hello.

Matt Kleve:

Hey. You're also speaking with Ellie Fanning, our Head of Marketing.

Putra Bonaccors:

That's right, -

Matt Kleve:

And what are you -

Putra Bonaccors:

she's not here.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah, and what are you going to be talking about?

Putra Bonaccors:

We're going to be talking about Layout Builder in the real world.

Putra Bonaccors:

Which is basically a story about how we re-built Lullabot.com using the new Layout Builder in core.

Matt Kleve:

The next person I will also introduce, because if he introduced himself it would be a little awkward.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Mike,

Mike Herchel:

Hey, how are you doing.

Matt Kleve:

Mike Herchel, Front End Web Performance, huh?

Matt Kleve:

Is that what you're going to be talking about?

Mike Herchel:

Yes I am going deep, deep in depth on front end web performance, and it's a ninety minute session that I'm super excited about.

Mike Herchel:

Every time I'm given a session, which is several times. I always go over and so I was a little bit disappointed when DrupalCon said, alright, well the sessions are going to be thirty minute sessions.

Mike Herchel:

I was like oh crap!

Mike Herchel:

I don't know what I'm going to do.

Mike Herchel:

But luckily they fit me into a ninety minute session so I'm going into that and we're going to do a lot of hands on stuff.

Mike Herchel:

Where you know, the extra time is going to be like really good for hands on type stuff and -

Matt Kleve:

Hey, we'll talk about it in a minute.

Mike Herchel:

Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Mike Herchel:

Alright. [laugh]

Mike Herchel:

Who do we have next Matt?

Matt Kleve:

Well, make sure your desk is clean and you're working hard because the CEO is here.

Matt Kleve:

We have Matt Westgate, CEO of Lullabot.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Matt.

Matt Westgate:

Hey friends.

Matt Kleve:

What's your,

Matt Kleve:

What's your talk?

Matt Westgate:

I'm going to talk about Dev Ops.

Matt Westgate:

But less on the technical side.

Matt Westgate:

It makes humans work better and work more effectively together.

Mike Herchel:

And next up out of Ashville, North Carolina.

Mike Herchel:

Running the second best Drupal gig in the world is April Sides.

Mike Herchel:

Welcome April, what are you talking about?

April Sides:

Thanks Mike.

April Sides:

I'm talking about how to hire and fire your employer.

Mike Herchel:

Hmm that sounds pretty scary there.

April Sides:

It's not scary, it's empowering.

Mike Herchel:

[laugh] yeah.

Mike Herchel:

Alright, yeah.

Mike Herchel:

That's good way to put it, Ellis?

Mike Herchel:

[laughs]

Mike Herchel:

Yes

Matt Kleve:

Because scheduling is hard, there are also a couple of Lullabot sessions where the folks weren't able to join us here for the podcast.

Matt Kleve:

Also speak, you'll also hear a little bit about Mathew Tift's session, the imaginary band of Drupal Rock stars.

Matt Westgate:

So I don't want to say anything, I don't want to make promises but I hear that Mathew Tift is going to be wearing leather pants.

Matt Kleve:

What?

Matt Westgate:

[laugh] because he's a rockstar, get it?

Mike Herchel:

That's funny Matt.

Mike Herchel:

I didn't hear about the leather pants but I did hear about the wig.

Helena McCabe:

Oh my gosh.

Matt Kleve:

Taking the last Lullabot spot of Thursday at three fifteen, we got Sally Young, coming to us from the UK, Senior Technical Architect.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Sally.

Sally Young:

Hello.

Matt Kleve:

Hey, designed in a decoupled art application.

Matt Kleve:

What are you talking about?

Sally Young:

Yes, so the team behind the Drupal admin UI modernization initiative are going to tell you how we built our app.

Matt Kleve:

Cool

Sally Young:

So we also have like a demo app that you get on our GitHub depot. So we'll see how we built all of that, and the [inaudible 00:05:12] react application works.

Matt Kleve:

Pretty cool.

Matt Kleve:

We'll talk about that in a little bit.

Matt Kleve:

So Helena McCabe, first up at nine o clock in the morning on Thursday, you're going to be talking about using persona's as an inclusive design tool.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Helena.

Helena McCabe:

Hey,

Helena McCabe:

Yes.

Helena McCabe:

Bright and early.

Helena McCabe:

Very relieved that the Lullabot party is not the day before this.

Helena McCabe:

[laugh]

Helena McCabe:

I'll be presenting with my friend Carie Fisher from DQ and we got a ninety minute session where we use a variety of user persona's to introduce specific disabilities and how they can challenge someones ability to use a Website.

Helena McCabe:

So we're going to use a hands on interactive problem -solution format because the last thing we wanted to do, was put you to sleep by reading you section five o eight.

Helena McCabe:

This topic is really near and dear to us, so we wanted to really bring it to life and create an experience that people would be able to be apart of and carry with them.

Helena McCabe:

So after we've introduced you to each persona, we'll lead the audience into participating in their perspective building activity for that persona's disability.

Helena McCabe:

We're not legally or ethically allowed to actually disable you, but we do have a lot of cool samples, hands on learning aids to let you try out a small bite of the disabled experience.

Helena McCabe:

To see what a difference doing accessibility properly makes.

Helena McCabe:

If you did happen to catch our session at Florida Drupal camp a couple of years ago, it's really similar to that except we have a longer time slot so we can do a lot more activities, and we've updated some of the information.

Helena McCabe:

Mike was one of our volunteers/ victims at that one so he can vouch for it.

Helena McCabe:

It's definitely going to be a good time and a great learning experience.

Mike Herchel:

That was a great session and I think about that a lot as, as I'm doing development, so I highly recommend it and good luck.

Mike Herchel:

And it also fits in well with the ninety minute format.

Helena McCabe:

Yay.

Helena McCabe:

Thank you.

Helena McCabe:

I'm glad it stuck with you.

Mike Herchel:

Totally.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah.

Mike Herchel:

Me too honestly.

Helena McCabe:

[laugh]

Matt Kleve:

Helena why is this something that you've been passionate about and talking about for a long time now?

Helena McCabe:

Well I think it's a quality issue.

Helena McCabe:

I mean.

Helena McCabe:

If you made a website that only works for some people and not for other people, you know,

Helena McCabe:

Its not good to exclude people and I think you haven't made a quality website if, if you haven't thought of everyone being able to use it.

Mike Herchel:

Totally agree.

Mike Herchel:

So that session is using persona's as a design tool

Mike Herchel:

It's at nine a.m all the way to ten thirty a.m, room six one seven and this is on Thursday.

Mike Herchel:

It's April eleventh, I believe.

Matt Kleve:

So next up we have the gang of four.

Matt Kleve:

Three,

Karen Stevenson:

Yes

Karen Stevenson:

[laugh]

Matt Kleve:

Three of them are here with us today.

Matt Kleve:

Layout Builder in the real world.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Karen, maybe you could talk a little bit about that and Wes and Putra jump in.

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah you guys jump in anytime.

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah basically we were getting ready to do an update of Lullabot that [inaudible 00:08:04] to Drupal anyway, and it was about the time that Layout Builder was released into core as an experimental module and so the timing was perfect and we decided to incorporate it into what we were doing.

Karen Stevenson:

And so we did that and we learnt a lot of things along the way about how to use it and what worked and what didn't work, and all kinds of things like that thought it would be kind of fun to share what we've learnt and what we accomplished.

Karen Stevenson:

And Wes also worked on, not Wes, I'm Sorry.

Karen Stevenson:

Mike also worked on this so he also knows a lot about it.

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Actually Mike said "hey we should really do a session"

Karen Stevenson:

He did, and now he[crosstalk 00:08:43]

Mike Herchel:

[laughing]

Mike Herchel:

Suckers!

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah

Wes Ruvalcaba:

One thing that's cool about the session is we are going to try to give different points of view about Layout Builder in the real world so we have Ellie as more as the person using it [inaudible 00:08:59] and then we have like Karen is kind of the back end of implementation side and Putra and I as the front end of implementation side, so it should be a cool discussion.

Mike Herchel:

Hey did you hear last evening on Twitter

Mike Herchel:

Layout Builder went stable into eight point seven.

Karen Stevenson:

I did

Karen Stevenson:

It's exciting

Mike Herchel:

I know

Mike Herchel:

Let's all clap for the hard working team on Layout Builder.

Mike Herchel:

Layout Builder is huge.

Mike Herchel:

It's such a great user experience which is like very strange for Drupal and it's just wonderful.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Right.

Matt Kleve:

It is definitely very slick, but we were able to figure out and make it easy to accomplish.

Putra Bonaccors:

Yeah I think it's going to be a fun session.

Putra Bonaccors:

I feel like it's also going to be going over some of our customizations, and part of the Lallabot.com project, we were able to create a few custom modules from [inaudible 00:09:54] and how that would be available to the community.

Putra Bonaccors:

So it's definitely exciting.

Putra Bonaccors:

And something I would also like to share during the session as well.

Matt Kleve:

Putra is this your first DrupalCon speaking?

Putra Bonaccors:

Yes, I'm really nervous about this.

Putra Bonaccors:

It's going to be great.

Putra Bonaccors:

I'm going to have Karen and Wes there and also Ellie as well so it's going to be a great team.

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Just imagine.

Putra Bonaccors:

To just like have a first lesson, session

Putra Bonaccors:

[laugh]

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Just imagine everyone is a nerd and they really want him to talk about it because they got there

Putra Bonaccors:

That's correct

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Yeah, so that helps.

Karen Stevenson:

Our goal,

Karen Stevenson:

We only have a half hour so we're not going to get hugely in depth but our jail is to leave lots of take aways and share as much as possible, with the code we used and everything.

Karen Stevenson:

So

Karen Stevenson:

That's our, that's our plan.

Matt Kleve:

Awesome, so that is Thursday eleven thirty to twelve in room six c, with Karen, Wes, Ellie and Putra.

Matt Kleve:

So next up is the best session at the entire DrupalCon

Mike Herchel:

[laughing]

Matt Kleve:

And that happens to be because you're giving it right?

Mike Herchel:

Yeah, absolutely.

Mike Herchel:

I mean I would even go so far as it's better than all the other sessions combined.

Mike Herchel:

[laugh]

Matt Kleve:

That's a bold statement, Mike.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah, no no no.

Mike Herchel:

I'm obviously just being silly.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah so my session is one o clock to two thirty.

Mike Herchel:

It's a ninety minute session.

Mike Herchel:

I'm going to talk about some web end performance, why it's important.

Mike Herchel:

But then we going to get deep into the details, we going to do a lot of profiling at one stage.

Mike Herchel:

And we're going to learn how to identify, inspect and profile a third party script.

Mike Herchel:

We're going to talk about how browsers render web pages and the theory behind that and how to optimize each stage and how to do performant animations, performant page loads and thing like that.

Mike Herchel:

And so, I've given, I've given similar talks a lot and this one I'm super excited about just because of the hands on aspect of it.

Mike Herchel:

Assuming we have time I'm hoping to get some suggestions of websites to profile from the audience and maybe kind of walk everyone through that together.

Mike Herchel:

That's going to be very-

Matt Kleve:

Given wifi that's functional too, right?

Matt Kleve:

That's always at conference, hold your breath and it might work thing.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah I can always tether my phone.

Mike Herchel:

I tend to do that at conferences anyway.

Matt Kleve:

Okay.

Mike Herchel:

But we'll see how the cell signal is.

Matt Kleve:

Also Mike, I'll give you an opportunity to talk,

Matt Kleve:

Your also on Monday of DrupalCon, speaking as part of the performance and scalability summit, right?

Matt Kleve:

You're kind of taking the front end part of that?

Mike Herchel:

Yeah yeah totally so, on Monday is the performance and scalability summit and I'm going to be talking about front end web development or front end web performance in that.

Mike Herchel:

And I believe that's at ten in the morning -

Matt Kleve:

It's kind of like an all day thing.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah yeah

Mike Herchel:

My talk is only forty five minutes long.

Mike Herchel:

The summit is all day and there's a whole bunch of great speakers including Nate Lamton who is a Senior Architect here at Lullabot, he's going to talk about all types of back end performance and scaling issues and Nate is probably one of the,

Mike Herchel:

Probably the world's foremost expert of scaling Drupal.

Mike Herchel:

He's worked on things like the Grammy's, Tesla, and a lot of other things that you've heard about.

Matt Kleve:

Very good

Matt Kleve:

Hey,

Matt Kleve:

We're talking about DrupalCon.

Matt Kleve:

We're talking about the Thursday of DrupalCon.

Matt Kleve:

The second day of traditional sessions,

Matt Kleve:

We've heard from some Lullabots and what they're going to be talking about.

Matt Kleve:

Coming up after this we're going to learn a little about Dev Ops and team building.

Matt Kleve:

Trying to figure out how that gets together, from Matt Westgate.

Matt Kleve:

As well as hiring and firing your employer.

Matt Kleve:

More of those Lullabot sessions coming up right after this.

Liz:

Hi this Liz Trudeau from the Drupal Association.

Liz:

DrupalCon Seattle is the conference where cutting content, networking and contributing come together.

Liz:

Meet thousand users, developers and designers using Drupal.

Liz:

Level up your skills

Liz:

April eight to the twelfth at the Washington State Convention Center.

Liz:

Events.drupal.org

Matt Kleve:

Hey

Matt Kleve:

Joining us now is Helen Porter, account executive at Lullabot

Helen Porter:

Hey there

Matt Kleve:

We don't ever get together.

Helen Porter:

I know we don't get to talk often enough.

Matt Kleve:

But soon we'll all be together.

Helen Porter:

Yeah

Helen Porter:

Can't wait

Matt Kleve:

We're going to DrupalCon Seattle

Helen Porter:

Yeah indeed.

Helen Porter:

Its coming right up

Matt Kleve:

And Lullabot is going to have a booth there right?

Matt Kleve:

In the expo hall?

Helen Porter:

We sure are

Helen Porter:

We got booth number three o seven

Matt Kleve:

What does that mean?

Matt Kleve:

Like people talk about conferences and it's like, come visit us at three o seven...

Helen Porter:

I don't know I think there's a map that appears somewhere.

Matt Kleve:

Okay

Helen Porter:

In the conference materials

Helen Porter:

Yeah, we will have a nice spot.

Helen Porter:

I think our next-door booth neighbors are going to be Pantheon and we're across from Platform SH, so we'll be easy to spot.

Matt Kleve:

What is our booth going to look like?

Matt Kleve:

I mean is it like corporate and stodgy?

Helen Porter:

I wouldn't say it's corporate and stodgy, I would say it's pretty chill and welcoming.

Helen Porter:

We've got couches -

Matt Kleve:

Oh

Helen Porter:

We'll probably have a coffee table.

Helen Porter:

We'll have some awesome Lullabot swag and t-shirts and such.

Matt Kleve:

So I hear that there's something happening on Tuesday night.

Helen Porter:

Yeah there is.

Helen Porter:

We're having our annual DrupalCon party on Tuesday night.

Helen Porter:

It's actually starting like right after the opening reception in the exhibit hall so, you can walk straight over from there.

Matt Kleve:

And it's called the Come As You Are Party?

Helen Porter:

Yes

Matt Kleve:

Kind of a tribute to Nirvana being in Seattle and all right?

Helen Porter:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

So mike has to sing?

Mike Herchel:

Hold on, Hold on, Hold on

Mike Herchel:

[singing] Come as you are

Mike Herchel:

As I want you to be -

Matt Kleve:

And we just want you to be there right?

Matt Kleve:

As our friends if you come to the Lullabot party at DrupalCon.

Helen Porter:

It's going to be so much fun.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Helen Porter:

It's going to be at this cool bar called Garage that has bowling alleys and pool tables and we're going to have board games

Matt Kleve:

Oh nice.

Helen Porter:

It's going to be awesome.

Helen Porter:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

And you say it's within walking distance?

Helen Porter:

Yeah

Helen Porter:

I think it's about a half mile walk from the convention center so it should be super convenient.

Matt Kleve:

Nice.

Matt Kleve:

And literally, come as you are, no need to have your, your,

Matt Kleve:

An invite or anything.

Matt Kleve:

We'd love to have you there.

Helen Porter:

Yeah everyone is welcome.

Helen Porter:

All you need is your DrupalCon badge.

Helen Porter:

No RSVP or anything like that.

Matt Kleve:

Cool,

Matt Kleve:

Thanks for coming on and telling us all about it Helen

Helen Porter:

Sure.

Helen Porter:

Thanks for having me.

Helen Porter:

I'll see you in Seattle.

Mike Herchel:

Welcome back to the Lullabot podcast.

Mike Herchel:

We're talking about day two about sessions at DrupalCon.

Mike Herchel:

Sessions that Lullabots are giving on Thursday, April eleventh.

Matt Kleve:

And not to be confusing it's day two of day four of five days, or something like that.

Mike Herchel:

On the eleventh day of the fourth month-

Matt Kleve:

Yeah it's the second day of sessions, like traditional sessions but, really DrupalCon is really getting going on Monday with training and summits and that kind of thing.

Mike Herchel:

Totally, yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Mike Herchel:

So, so the next session of everyone's schedule is one to one thirty.

Mike Herchel:

That's the Imaginary band of Drupal Rock stars by Mathew Tift who is a Senior Developer here at Lullabot.

Mike Herchel:

Mathew is not here today but we have another Mathew-

Matt Kleve:

If I could introduce the other Mathew,

Matt Kleve:

Matt, could we introduce Matt to talk about Matt's session.

Matt Kleve:

Matt Westgate is going to talk a little bit about what Matt Tift has to say.

Matt Kleve:

Right?

Matt Kleve:

Something like that?

Matt Kleve:

I tried.

Matt Westgate:

[laugh]

Matt Westgate:

I think

Matt Westgate:

I think

Matt Westgate:

I think that works. Yeah.

Matt Westgate:

So Mathew Tift is talking about the imaginary band of Drupal Rock stars and since he's not on I'll do my best to capture it.

Matt Westgate:

There's been a lot of talk and discussions about job applications and job postings for instance that say, "hey, come, we're looking for Rock stars, Ninjas and Guru's"

Matt Westgate:

So Mathew has sort of looked at the historical connotations of where it comes from and what it means and he's going to spend some time taking you through the history of that and sort of asking some larger questions to the community and he's been doing quite a bit of work on this.

Matt Westgate:

He's done a podcast about it a couple weeks ago, and so I'm really looking forward to that conversation, as well as asking some larger questions to the community, you know, what it means when you say that and what, who it might be alienating as a result.

Matt Kleve:

So

Mike Herchel:

It's a very important topic.

Matt Kleve:

We might be hearing a little bit about that, that podcast that you're talking to is the Hacking Culture podcast that can be found wherever find podcasts are found and also on the Lullabot website.

Matt Kleve:

Lullabot podcasts, Hacking Culture is what it's called.

Matt Kleve:

He had an episode in February called The Imaginary Band of Drupal Rock stars.

Matt Kleve:

So we'll hear about,

Matt Kleve:

You can probably hear a little preview about Matt's thoughts there.

Matt Westgate:

Totally and we'll link to that in our show notes.

Matt Kleve:

Now that Matt Westgate has warmed up about talking about Mathew Tift.

Matt Kleve:

Matt Westgate will be next on the schedule, talking at one forty five on Thursday, Dev Ops and Team building, huh?

Matt Westgate:

Yep

Matt Westgate:

That's right.

Matt Westgate:

It's more the cultural perspective of Dev Ops than the technical perspectives but I spent a good chunk of last year, 2018, attended Dev Op [inaudible 00:19:34] conference around the United States and got a chance to really talk to that group and meet that group and meet that community, and sort of learn their take on dev Ops, which is not just technology.

Matt Westgate:

It turns out the technical decisions, the software tools that we choose for dev Ops, a lot of those choices are an extension of the culture and values that are already in place in an organization.

Matt Westgate:

And so I sort of got a chance to learn what those are and how do you, how to create an effective Dev ops culture that the tools have a chance of surviving.

Matt Westgate:

Because we've probably heard those horror stories of trying to do CI and automation and have it not going well, but it turns out, the whole reason we do,

Matt Westgate:

An additional reason we do Dev Ops to begin with is to improve the way that we communicate across departments to increase the psychological safety of groups.

Matt Westgate:

And so I'm going to highlight the tools which promote healthy humans in the Dev Ops world, in faster collaboration.

Matt Westgate:

So, yeah, join me, it's going to be a fun conversation.

Matt Kleve:

Sounds like we can be more efficient, only a bit, we're not robots.

Matt Westgate:

A little bit.

Mike Herchel:

So that is one forty five to two fifteen, room six o eight.

Mike Herchel:

Next up, April Sides.

Mike Herchel:

How to fire, hire and fire your employer.

Mike Herchel:

Two thirty to three o clock in room six o nine.

Matt Kleve:

And you can talk about that right after your boss just spoke April. [laugh]

April Sides:

Well I will say that I always start the session with;

April Sides:

"I am not looking to fire my employer"

April Sides:

But really based on experience and a lot of research into work culture and career building it's kind of where it was based, the idea was based from.

April Sides:

But we spend over a third of our week time at work so we should follow the "you only live once"

April Sides:

You should be happy at work, you should be doing something at least you know, keeps you curious or at least, you know, gives you satisfaction.

April Sides:

So we talk a little bit about personal reflection, and I don't know why I said "we", its me.

April Sides:

I'll be talking about personal reflection and introspection and just learning about yourself to know what you are looking for so it's very career, career building, yeah.

April Sides:

Talk a little bit about burn outs.

April Sides:

Yeah.

Mike Herchel:

Sounds kind of empowering you know, to kind of realistically talk about hiring and firing your employer, and being able to do that and knowing what you want and looking for what you want.

April Sides:

Definitely.

April Sides:

Like taking a leap, it can be scary so.

Mike Herchel:

Totally, yeah.

April Sides:

Get some tools to help you, you know, pursue your ambitions.

Mike Herchel:

Great, great.

Mike Herchel:

So once again that's two thirty to three, room six o nine.

Matt Kleve:

Finally, up today we have Sally Young.

Matt Kleve:

Hey Sally.

Sally Young:

Hello

Matt Kleve:

Hey Senior Technical Architect from the UK.

Matt Kleve:

So.

Sally Young:

That's me

Matt Kleve:

Design a Drupal,

Matt Kleve:

Designed a decoupled application.

Matt Kleve:

Tell me all about it.

Sally Young:

So we.

Sally Young:

This is presented by the Admin UI modernization team and you may or may not know, we built,

Sally Young:

In the process of building a decoupled administration application that runs off [inaudible 00:23:13] API and Drupal.

Sally Young:

So we're going to tell you how we built the application, and how we organization our components and used mono repos and sub-packages and all kinds of interesting things, because it's not just a JavaScript project.

Sally Young:

We're also hosting like a demo version of Drupal, the ads or the kind of extra little modules we need to make all of this work and the people presenting it also have lots of experience building client sites basically, in decoupled basis.

Sally Young:

So we're also going to be drawing on our experience with that and showing you how we built stuff.

Matt Kleve:

So this is

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

I don't know.

Matt Kleve:

If someone comes to your session Sally, what's kind of their main take away?

Matt Kleve:

What do you think they're going to learn?

Sally Young:

I hope they can learn how to put lots of pieces together so it's very easy to say, hey this is what will make a little JavaScript application.

Sally Young:

And herein it can eat this API from Drupal but actually maintaining all of those things and coordinating them together can be tricky.

Sally Young:

For example;

Sally Young:

What happens if you change something in Drupal in the content model and then you have the decoupled app on the front end that's consuming it and you need to co-ordinate those kind of things so, there's lots of, lots of things that you may not have thought about in maintaining your application.

Mike Herchel:

Very good

Mike Herchel:

Yeah yeah, okay so let's kind of go around and maybe talk about what you're looking forward to in Drupal.

Matt Kleve:

And just kind of what your excited about in DrupalCon.

Matt Kleve:

Something you're going to see, something you're going to do/

Matt Kleve:

What's one thing that might be a highlight for you at least, before it happens.

Matt Kleve:

A preview highlight, I don't know what to call it.

Matt Kleve:

Helena McCabe

Matt Kleve:

What are you excited about.

Helena McCabe:

Oh I'm there for free swag.

Helena McCabe:

This is when I stock up.

Helena McCabe:

No seriously, I'm excited about the hallway track and to see the Diversity and Inclusion folks, because they're a good crew and I haven't seen them in a while.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Karen Stevenson?

Karen Stevenson:

I love hearing about the Hallway Track because that's always where I end up spending most of my time, I think, is in the Hallway track.

Karen Stevenson:

But the hallway track is great.

Karen Stevenson:

I was just thinking back, I've been going to DrupalCon since 2007 and it's really changed over that time.

Karen Stevenson:

I would love.

Karen Stevenson:

I hope somebody will hopefully do this again one day but M Whiteman did a presentation a few years back about the history of Drupal, or history of DrupalCon thing and that would be great, I would love to see that.

Mike Herchel:

That sounds like a pretty cool podcast topic.

Karen Stevenson:

It would be a good.

Karen Stevenson:

It would be a great podcast topic, because things have really changed over the years and people who are new to the community may not know how it used to be and it might be kind of fun.

Karen Stevenson:

And those of us who have been around then, like to reminisce a little.

Matt Kleve:

When was your first DrupalCon?

Karen Stevenson:

2007, it was Sunnyvale California.

Karen Stevenson:

We were at the Yahoo Campus.

Karen Stevenson:

That was exciting.

Karen Stevenson:

And it wasn't even DrupalCon. It was like an Oris something conference and we were just -

Matt Kleve:

Kind of like a bigger CMS conference or something?

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah and we were just a part of it although I think we were the biggest part of it.

Matt Kleve:

Of course.

Matt Kleve:

How has it changed over the years?

Matt Kleve:

What do you think?

Matt Kleve:

I mean is it-

Karen Stevenson:

Well it's obviously way bigger and it's more formal-

Matt Kleve:

More formal. Yeah.

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah. It used to be very, I mean, it was

Karen Stevenson:

It was probably more like a camp originally. Like, like how we think of our camps being now.

Karen Stevenson:

And now it more of a formal, you know, with prearranged sessions and all that kind of stuff.

Karen Stevenson:

I think we had prearranged sessions, but a lot of things were kind of seat of our pants.

Matt Kleve:

More un-conferenced styled

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah, more un-conferenced style.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Karen Stevenson:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

That's sounds better.

Matt Kleve:

We don't know what we are doing, we're going to fly by the seat of our pants.

Matt Kleve:

No it's just [crosstalk 00:27:19] it's just un-conference style.

Karen Stevenson:

No, I still like DrupalCon, but, but I think those of us that went back in the old days, hey we love that spirit.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Karen Stevenson:

At that time

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Karen Stevenson:

It was great.

Matt Kleve:

Matt Westgate were you at Sunnyvale?

Matt Westgate:

I think I was, yeah

Matt Westgate:

I mean John, Dries and Myself kind of organized the first Drupal conference back in 2005, and

Matt Kleve:

That was Antwerp, right?

Matt Westgate:

That's right, yeah.

Matt Westgate:

And the great thing about that is the University that John worked for, they realized sort of the importance of this getting together and they offered sponsorships for people to attend and there was only about twenty or thirty or so, of us at the time.

Matt Westgate:

But one of my greatest moments was John and I calling other Drupal developers who we had worked with for a year or two and only knew them by their IRC nicknames, called them up and say " hey, we've got a ticket for you, do you want to come to Antwerp and actually like meet in person, and have these conversations?"

Matt Westgate:

And it was so neat to be able to do that.

Matt Westgate:

And I remember getting there and we had name tags right?

Matt Westgate:

Because you're supposed to have name tags at a function and in big letters we would write our IRC handles and in little letters we would write our first name.

Matt Westgate:

[laugh]

Matt Westgate:

So we could identify each other.

Matt Westgate:

It was a really good time.

Matt Westgate:

I also thing another thing that's happened over the year, unfortunately is that DrupalCon has gotten more expensive over the years, for everyone.

Matt Westgate:

Which can have a side effect of making things a little more prohibitive, and you know, I don't have a solution for that but I wish that, that could be more controlled in some way.

Matt Westgate:

You have the production costs rising and you know, those need to be paid for but I wish that there was an intention and an initiative in the years to come to try to minimize the additional costs and even see what we can do to reduce them.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah, I agree.

Sally Young:

We do have a lot more camps these days though.

Sally Young:

Which -

Sally Young:

[crosstalk 00:29:40]

Sally Young:

Those days, I really loved.

Matt Kleve:

You can't have a podcast without Mike mentioning Drupal camp Florida for example.

Sally Young:

[laughing]

Sally Young:

But Mike have you told them about the toffees which is hands down the best part about Drupal camp Florida, by far.

Helena McCabe:

[inaudible 00:29:58] is a very important feature at Drupal camp Florida.

Matt Kleve:

It's not the alligators, it's the tacos? Huh?

Sally Young:

[crosstalk 00:30:07]

Sally Young:

A hard shell taco, with cheese and then they wrap it in a soft shell and then you crunch it.

Sally Young:

It's the most genius invention I have ever seen.

Mike Herchel:

It totally is and what's awesome about it is that they have total vegetarian and gluten free options.

Mike Herchel:

Like we've had so many people who had special dietary needs come and say it's the best ever.

Mike Herchel:

And then in addition, for all of us omnivores too, it's honestly pretty much the best ever.

Helena McCabe:

Get the pork.

Matt Westgate:

I get one of everything and then go back for seconds. I mean.

Matt Westgate:

So much food.

Matt Kleve:

So come to the camps because the food is good?

Matt Kleve:

Anyway.

Matt Westgate:

Well, come to Florida Drupal camp,[inaudible 00:30:54]

Matt Westgate:

The camp is absolutely cramped, but.

Matt Westgate:

I mean, the food is good.

Matt Kleve:

Let's bring us back to DrupalCon.

Matt Kleve:

Alright

Matt Kleve:

Westgate, let's bring us back to DrupalCon, what are you excited about DrupalCon in he modern era.

Matt Kleve:

What do you want to see this year in Seattle?

Matt Westgate:

Yeah it could be that DrupalCon is just serving a different, you know, a more, a different constituency these days, you know, more the business side which is where the, some of the cost drivers are.

Matt Westgate:

But none the less, DrupalCon is a great annual event for us, for Lullabot and personally, you know, I always find myself meeting new people in the community throughout the year.

Matt Westgate:

Whether it is going to camp or just new interactions and relationships and it's so awesome to be able to go to DrupalCon and meet these people face to face, that we've been working with throughout the year on different initiatives and things like that so I really can't wait.

Matt Westgate:

It's like I've got a queue of people that I just want to hug and get to know more because we've just been working on different things for the community so there's definitely that part.

Matt Westgate:

But then there's also, I try to, I like, I want to be conscientious about being an ambassador for new people in the community too you know, because that first interaction is so critical and important.

Matt Westgate:

And I feel that's a tenant of Drupal as well that we conscientiously made that, so I really want to be there and be open and to you know, really usher in positive first interactions with the people in the community too, so.

Matt Westgate:

And that gets me excited, that gets me fueled up, it's the community that I want to participate in.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah yeah

Matt Kleve:

Very inspiring Matt.

Matt Kleve:

Seriously, that's cool to hear.

Matt Kleve:

Wes, what are you excited about DrupalCon, what do you want to see?

Wes Ruvalcaba:

What am I excited about?

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Yeah, the people.

Wes Ruvalcaba:

I go to these things for the people for sure.

Wes Ruvalcaba:

So to meet new people, that's always great and you know, get to hang out with people who have been at previous Drupal events, yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Stay for the community?

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Stay for the community.

Matt Kleve:

Putra

Putra Bonaccors:

Yes

Matt Kleve:

What are you excited about, what do you want to see at DrupalCon?

Putra Bonaccors:

Yeah similar to Wes, I'm also excited to see the people as well too.

Putra Bonaccors:

This is going to be my third DrupalCon, I went to the last.

Putra Bonaccors:

I went to one in Baltimore and one in Portland, that was like a couple years back, yeah.

Putra Bonaccors:

I'm really excited to see all the Bots, hanging out with you guys and, that's all.

Matt Kleve:

Very good

Matt Kleve:

April Sides?

April Sides:

Yes?

Matt Kleve:

What are you excited about, coming to Seattle and seeing or doing?

April Sides:

I can't wait to see all the people, like everyone else is saying.

April Sides:

Like seeing friends, hanging out, but also there's also a lot of event organizer things going on, so I'm excited to get with other organizers, event organizers and solve the worlds problems and, talk shop.

Matt Kleve:

It's great when everyone gets a chance to get together, you know and do that kind of thing.

April Sides:

Definitely.

Matt Kleve:

Mike Herchel,

Matt Kleve:

What do you want to do?

Mike Herchel:

Yeah so, I'm excited of course about seeing everybody.

Mike Herchel:

I'm excited about seeing Seattle, I've never been to Seattle before.

Mike Herchel:

I'm getting there a couple days early and I'm really hoping I can go whale watching because I want to see some Orcas.

Mike Herchel:

I don't know if that's a thing but like-

Matt Kleve:

I don't think you can do that from the conference center though.

Matt Kleve:

So during the week, what do you want to see?

Mike Herchel:

Yeah.

Mike Herchel:

Well I want to see the people.

Mike Herchel:

And yeah, load up on the new 2019 Drupal fashion as Helena said.

Mike Herchel:

I have a whole bunch of awesome stickers to give out from Florida Drupal camp that are metallic like holographic, these are the coolest stickers ever, so I'm hoping, I'm excited to give these away because it's going to blow people's mind.

Mike Herchel:

And yeah.

Matt Kleve:

Sally?

Sally Young:

I answered this yesterday, so.

Matt Kleve:

Yesterday was last week in the podcast world so?

Mike Herchel:

Yes and not everybody listens to both podcasts.

Mike Herchel:

We're asking this version of Sally.

Sally Young:

This version of Sally answered this last week, however I did think of a new one today, which is I'm looking forward to Wendy's because we don't have that here.

Sally Young:

If any of you know, I have a deep fascination/ disgust on American take out food, and when I was on the retreat I discovered Arbys has this thing called a meat mountain, and I'm not sure I want to eat it but I'm definitely sure I want to see it and maybe see someone else eat it.

Helena McCabe:

Maybe Mikey

Sally Young:

I will be quite impressed

Helena McCabe:

Yeah.

Matt Kleve:

How about in the conference all, I don't think you can get a meat mountain there?

Sally Young:

No?

Sally Young:

[laugh]

Sally Young:

I am looking forward to seeing my friends again and jut the people I haven't caught up with for a year.

Mike Herchel:

What about you Matt Kleve, what are you excited about with DrupalCon Seattle?

Matt Kleve:

Well as I mentioned yesterday, I mean last week.

Matt Kleve:

I've taken a couple DrupalCon off so I'm excited to get back into it.

Matt Kleve:

I always learn what I didn't know when I go to DrupalCon and one thing I failed to mention yesterday, I mean last week was I am excited to go to the performance and scalability summit, even though you're speaking Mike.

Mike Herchel:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

It's kind of something that I wanna kind of hear the state of that world.

Matt Kleve:

Its years ago when I got into going into Drupal that I was excited about and I really enjoyed and that was because of a session I saw at Drupal camp, DrupalCon San Francisco.

Matt Kleve:

It really got me fired up about that world.

Matt Kleve:

And as I got into Lullabot, I was on projects where I had people for that kind of thing, and that wasn't me, so, I kind of drifted away and I'm kind of excited to come back into it.

Matt Kleve:

To see all of the things that I need to learn, and couldn't get to know.

Matt Kleve:

To be able to implement.

Matt Kleve:

So I kind of, I'm excited about that, even though you're talking Mike.

Matt Kleve:

I don't know.

Mike Herchel:

I'd like to apologize in advance to you.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

Are you going to talk about the browser stuff?

Matt Kleve:

I don't know

Mike Herchel:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

That's what the awesome Lullabot front end team does for me.

Mike Herchel:

Hmm mm-hmm (affirmative)

Mike Herchel:

Well thanks everybody for coming on the podcast.

Matt Kleve:

Yeah.

Karen Stevenson:

It was great talking

Matt Kleve:

Yeah

Matt Kleve:

Yeah and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody in just a little over a week.

Mike Herchel:

Pack an umbrella

Mike Herchel:

I'll see you in Seattle.

Karen Stevenson:

Yep.

Helena McCabe:

Thanks for having us

Karen Stevenson:

Thanks

Mike Herchel:

Bye

Matt Kleve:

Bye everybody!

Helena McCabe:

Bye

Matt Westgate:

Bye

Karen Stevenson:

Bye

Wes Ruvalcaba:

Bye

Sally Young:

Did someone just say "go hawks?"