---
title: "The Dark Art of Web Design"
url: "/podcasts/drupalizeme-podcast/the-dark-art-of-web-design"
type: episode
date: 2016-08-11
updated: 2016-08-11
---

# The Dark Art of Web Design

#  The Dark Art of Web Design 

  

*Podcast episode player*

Matt & Mike sit down with Lullabot's entire design team and talk the ins, outs, processes and tools behind sites such as GRAMMY.com, MSNBC, This Old House, and more!

##  Episode Guests 

###  Jared Ponchot 

 ![Jared Ponchot wearing a dark button down shirt in front of a gray background.](/sites/default/files/styles/square_120x120/public/2023-06/jared-ponchot-1.jpg?itok=hc3SQGJR) 

 As Lullabot's Chief Creative Officer, Jared leads the Design team. He regularly speaks about UX and design at conferences around the globe.

 [  More about Jared   ](/about/jared-ponchot) 

###  Maggie Griner 

 ![Maggie](/sites/default/files/styles/square_120x120/public/2020-08/griner-cropped_0.jpg?itok=moxg9Iq-) 

 Maggie Griner fell in love with web design during the last class of her senior year of college and has pursued that passion ever since.

 [  More about Maggie   ](/about/maggie-griner) 

###  Jen Witkowski 

 ![Jen Witkowski wearing a teal top in front of a blue background.](/sites/default/files/styles/square_120x120/public/2023-06/jen-witkowski.jpg?itok=RIcmYoaV) 

 Jen Witkowski is the Associate Design Director at Lullabot with a passion for creating well-architected websites that provide a great user experience for desktop and mobile devices.

 [  More about Jen   ](/about/jen-witkowski) 

###  Jen Witkowski 

 ![Jen Witkowski wearing a teal top in front of a blue background.](/sites/default/files/styles/square_120x120/public/2023-06/jen-witkowski.jpg?itok=RIcmYoaV) 

 Jen Witkowski is the Associate Design Director at Lullabot with a passion for creating well-architected websites that provide a great user experience for desktop and mobile devices.

 [  More about Jen   ](/about/jen-witkowski) 

###  Marissa Epstein 

 ![Marissa Epstein is a woman in her mid-30s with long brown hair shaved on one side, wearing a purple and black blouse, purple cat-eye glasses, a silver necklace, and a smirk.](/sites/default/files/styles/square_120x120/public/2024-03/lulabot.headshots.palm_.springs.resort.monocle.project-60_0.jpg?itok=nq-_PAgs) 

 Marissa is a former senior user experience strategist at Lullabot.

 [  More about Marissa   ](/about/marissa-epstein) 

##  Mentioned in this Episode 

- [  Ipevo Camera (used for distributed live sketching)   ](https://www.ipevo.com/prods/Point-2-View-USB-Camera)
- [  Sketch App   ](https://www.sketchapp.com/)
- [  InVision   ](https://www.invisionapp.com/)

 Published in:

- [  Digital & Content Strategy   ](/topics/content-strategy)
- [  UX & Design   ](/topics/design-and-ux)